Ssild (2.0) Tutorial Ld4All

I had my second LD yesterday, because of SSILD!Two tries, two LDs. Pretty good start!Although I wish they'd be as vivid as WILD or MILD are.

Even though this seems to take some extra time, I'm used to not running on much sleep. However, must I wake up after a few hours? Because for the most part I can not go to bed until about 1am on weekdays. And on weekends, if I try, it's still impossible to attempt to sleep before midnight. And I takes me ages to fall asleep anyway, if I were to wake up a few hours after going to sleep, then stay up for so long, I simply would not be able to go back to sleep.So yea, is it possible to succeed with no experience at all and not being able to do that mid-wake up?
Current LD goal(s): To achieve a stable, lengthy and nice LD (and remember it.)

Wolf, I don't stay up very long and I don't set an alarm to wake up. My baby wakes me up to eat so I get up grab him and go sit in the rocking chair for about 10-15 mins and admittedly I am not even fully awake most times! (lol) I go lay back down and start these cycles. Honestly you don't even have to think about it just start paying attention to your senses for a few seconds at a time and if you make it to the longer cycles then ...great! If you don't then that is great too! I usually only get 3 reps into the first cycle and pass out! Sometimes HI startles me awake but not usually. I also do it before I go to sleep as well and it relaxes my busy mind. I would like to hear how it goes for you wolf.Current LD goal(s): speaking with SC, Find dream guide

WolfSpirit wrote:
Even though this seems to take some extra time, I'm used to not running on much sleep. However, must I wake up after a few hours? Because for the most part I can not go to bed until about 1am on weekdays. And on weekends, if I try, it's still impossible to attempt to sleep before midnight. And I takes me ages to fall asleep anyway, if I were to wake up a few hours after going to sleep, then stay up for so long, I simply would not be able to go back to sleep.So yea, is it possible to succeed with no experience at all and not being able to do that mid-wake up?
-------For optimal result you really do need to get up after a few hours of sleep. If that is not an option, you can try the chaining method. Basically you remember to do a few rounds of SSILD cycles upon every awakening! You will very likely run into intense hypnagogic sensations after a few tries so be prepared for them and don't get too excited.

Autumn wrote:
Wolf, I don't stay up very long and I don't set an alarm to wake up. My baby wakes me up to eat so I get up grab him and go sit in the rocking chair for about 10-15 mins and admittedly I am not even fully awake most times! (lol) I go lay back down and start these cycles. Honestly you don't even have to think about it just start paying attention to your senses for a few seconds at a time and if you make it to the longer cycles then ...great! If you don't then that is great too! I usually only get 3 reps into the first cycle and pass out! Sometimes HI startles me awake but not usually. I also do it before I go to sleep as well and it relaxes my busy mind. I would like to hear how it goes for you wolf.
-------That indeed IS the right way to do it.

It sounds interesting. But if I need to get up and then go back to sleep I won't be able to try this method for a long time lol. Like I said, I sleep in general about 5 hours a night. If I get only even 2 hours of sleep I am fully awake if I'm up for more then a minute lol Yea I'm tired but I can't get back to sleep. It's happened before in recent history - I went to bed at 2am, woke up at 4am and couldn't get back to sleep until 7am then had to be up at 9am.Though I'll try the chaining method perhaps if I get a chance to. I'm nervous about the HI cause of my mind hating me and all but if it works I'll learn to tame it. I did try a few cycles at some point yesterday so I think I'd easily be able to get that method down. Its just the rest of the method will be tough to accomplish lol
Current LD goal(s): To achieve a stable, lengthy and nice LD (and remember it.)

I'm having weird moments of really sudden realization that I'm in a dream, so bad that I went mad trying to get "fully" lucid and started throwing chairs around (in my dream of course). But funnily enough nobody in my dream seemed to care that I was trashing the place in a maddened attempt to get more lucid

Hello !I have read your SSILD Method, cosmic.iron, and I am going to try it tonight for the first time. Can I have a lucid dream the very first time ? And as I have never had any lucid dreams, is it possible to have my first with the SSILD method ?Thank you !
Current LD goal(s): Having my first LD.

DeepDream wrote:
Hello !I have read your SSILD Method, cosmic.iron, and I am going to try it tonight for the first time. Can I have a lucid dream the very first time ? And as I have never had any lucid dreams, is it possible to have my first with the SSILD method ?Thank you !
-------It's very possible. This is a great technique for beginners.

I tried doing my first SSILD but I failed...I think I wasn't concentrated enough...Question : If I go to bed at 11 p.m (23:00) and I wake up at 3.30 a.m (3:30) to do the SSILD method, at which time will I have my lucid dreams ?Because I have a very bad dream recall and I can only remember my dreams if I wake up in the middle of them or if I put an alarm at 5.00 a.m.So I was wandering when should I put the alarm ?And another thing : after I have done the 6 quick cycles and the 4 slow cycles I have to sleep as quickly as possible... I am a quick sleeper and I am very hard to wake up, I felt pressure on myself trying to sleep quickly after SSILD yesterday night...Maybe it was that pressure that caused me not to have a Lucid dream ?
Current LD goal(s): Having my first LD.

Just this morning I realized all those "failed DIELDs" after SSILDs were FAs. What a waste.

Last night I had the most crazy experience ever. I woke up at 4:30 am to feed baby and was not going to go back to bed because my alarm was going to go off at 5:30 but at 4:52 I decided I would go back down for 30 mins because that is certainly enough time to have a lucid.Well............I had 6 FA's in a row! In each one a I became lucid and it lasted a couple mins then I would wake up again. The first FA was the only one that I did not become lucid in and then all the others I would become lucid and then go flying.In one of them I decided to look at my hands for an RC after I pinched my nose. My hands were COMPLETELY normal. I counted all the digits and I had 5 on each and then I tried to push my hand through the other and it wouldn't go! In hindsight I was missing my rings but I still was lucid and amazed at how my hands were so normal.Then it gets really weird, On my last FA turned Lucid I was getting tired of having FA's and I was reminding myself that I couldn't get trapped in my dream worlds and that my RL alarm was going to go off any minute. So I realized I could just wake myself up. I started telling myself "Wake up Autumn, it is time to get up." Over and over but it wasn't working...I tried blinking and shutting my eyes, I tried thrashing around and telling myself to wake up. None of that worked so I went over to my DC husband and asked him to say "Autumn, it is time to wake up" He looked at me confused and said it anyways but it didn't work so I asked him to hit me. My DC hubby was appalled and said no! I told him that it was okay...that I was dreaming and it wouldn't hurt me but he kept refusing and saying "But what if it isn't a dream??!!" So Finally I just started SCREAMING " WAKE UP NOW AUTUMN!!!!!!!!" Then I started to feel my limbs tingle and POP my eyes open. I immediately pinched my nose and was not able to breath, I peeked at the clock and it was 5:29 AM.So unreal...but what is even more unreal is the conversation I had with my husband just now. I told him about my experience and once I got to the part of me asking him to hit me to wake me up his mouth dropped and he said "I remember you asking me to hit you..." I said "you mean I was talking in my sleep?" and he said "No I was dreaming that you were asking me to hit you to wake you up but I wouldn't do it because I was afraid it wasn't a dream and that if I hit you then you would divorce me so I was too afraid you would leave me if I did it!!!!!Now, on a side note not only does my husband think LDing is kind of strange but he never remembers his dream. He swears he doesn't even dream because he never remembers them. I was shocked. I don't know if that is a shared dream or if maybe I was really talking in my sleep and he was hearing it then dreaming about it.It was intense.
Current LD goal(s): speaking with SC, Find dream guide

Autumn wrote:
Last night I had the most crazy experience ever. I woke up at 4:30 am to feed baby and was not going to go back to bed because my alarm was going to go off at 5:30 but at 4:52 I decided I would go back down for 30 mins because that is certainly enough time to have a lucid.Well............I had 6 FA's in a row! In each one a I became lucid and it lasted a couple mins then I would wake up again. The first FA was the only one that I did not become lucid in and then all the others I would become lucid and then go flying.In one of them I decided to look at my hands for an RC after I pinched my nose. My hands were COMPLETELY normal. I counted all the digits and I had 5 on each and then I tried to push my hand through the other and it wouldn't go! In hindsight I was missing my rings but I still was lucid and amazed at how my hands were so normal.Then it gets really weird, On my last FA turned Lucid I was getting tired of having FA's and I was reminding myself that I couldn't get trapped in my dream worlds and that my RL alarm was going to go off any minute. So I realized I could just wake myself up. I started telling myself "Wake up Autumn, it is time to get up." Over and over but it wasn't working...I tried blinking and shutting my eyes, I tried thrashing around and telling myself to wake up. None of that worked so I went over to my DC husband and asked him to say "Autumn, it is time to wake up" He looked at me confused and said it anyways but it didn't work so I asked him to hit me. My DC hubby was appalled and said no! I told him that it was okay...that I was dreaming and it wouldn't hurt me but he kept refusing and saying "But what if it isn't a dream??!!" So Finally I just started SCREAMING " WAKE UP NOW AUTUMN!!!!!!!!" Then I started to feel my limbs tingle and POP my eyes open. I immediately pinched my nose and was not able to breath, I peeked at the clock and it was 5:29 AM.So unreal...but what is even more unreal is the conversation I had with my husband just now. I told him about my experience and once I got to the part of me asking him to hit me to wake me up his mouth dropped and he said "I remember you asking me to hit you..." I said "you mean I was talking in my sleep?" and he said "No I was dreaming that you were asking me to hit you to wake you up but I wouldn't do it because I was afraid it wasn't a dream and that if I hit you then you would divorce me so I was too afraid you would leave me if I did it!!!!!Now, on a side note not only does my husband think LDing is kind of strange but he never remembers his dream. He swears he doesn't even dream because he never remembers them. I was shocked. I don't know if that is a shared dream or if maybe I was really talking in my sleep and he was hearing it then dreaming about it.It was intense.
-------The border between reality and dream can be finer than you think Anyway, very cool and unique experience and thanks for sharing. With your permission I will use this as writing material for a book I'm writing. Thank you!

You absolutely have my permission to use my experience! I would like to add what I did preceding this event. When I went back to bed I started my SSILD technique and 2 times I got awoken slightly by HI and could feel my body extremely heavy and numb but I just HAD to move. On the second time this happened i wiggled my fingers and then started SSILD again. I got 2 reps into the first cycle and was out like a light and not soon after had my first FA of the six.Current LD goal(s): speaking with SC, Find dream guide

I am going to try this method tonight! Hopefully it will bring on my first LD, it's worth a tryCurrent LD goal(s): Fly!

Autumn wrote:
You absolutely have my permission to use my experience! I would like to add what I did preceding this event. When I went back to bed I started my SSILD technique and 2 times I got awoken slightly by HI and could feel my body extremely heavy and numb but I just HAD to move. On the second time this happened i wiggled my fingers and then started SSILD again. I got 2 reps into the first cycle and was out like a light and not soon after had my first FA of the six.
-------Thank you Autumn. That is a fantastic experience!

I used this a few days ago (been trying to get back into LDing) after WBTB... I had one or two really intense HI moments, and felt lots of vibrations in my ears (they actually felt hot after). Didn't quite WILD, but I could tell I was very close! Of course I was intending to just get a DILD, but a WILD would be a nice bonusI haven't noticed as much HI though the last few times. Could it be not waking in the right part of the sleep cycle?
Current LD goal(s): look at my dream body, talk with a dream character and look at them closely

After 8 months of trying on and off to lucid dream (on purpose, of course; I had 3 spontaneously before this), I finally had my first DILD last night thanks to this method. I woke up at 6:30 AM, stayed up for about 5 minutes more in bed, and I got only about 2 cycles in until I was asleep. In the dream, I was walking with my old friend Mike and we saw that the card and comic shop had turned into a mini-arcade. I walked in and there were people hanging around the door, and the games inside were all mostly retro. It was very small.As we were waling out, I was looking back at the new corner store and Mike said "Hey, it's kinda weird that they would just put that there so fast. Are you sure you're not dreaming?". That moment I asked myself: "Wait a second, I am dreaming...". Then the dream ended after about 5 more seconds, or so I thought! I had one FA as well, and finally woke up at 7:20. Curiously enough, my parents usually wake up at 6:30, but last night they woke up about 30 seconds after I did O_o. Still, I'm pretty happy that I finally had an intentional lucid dream, even if for a few seconds. Thank you cosmic.iron.

I've never woken up in the middle of SP before I tried this technique.Last night it happened again, I dreamed that I was trying to get out of a building with no exit by crawling under the wall. I couldn't get my torso under the wall so I exhaled as much as I could to... compact myself. But I got stuck, and I couldn't inhale.Then I woke up in SP after panicking for a bit, then taking a deep breath and breaking out of it. I could've DEILD'd if I wasn't so panicked.The ride never ends.

Golvellius wrote:
I've never woken up in the middle of SP before I tried this technique.Last night it happened again, I dreamed that I was trying to get out of a building with no exit by crawling under the wall. I couldn't get my torso under the wall so I exhaled as much as I could to... compact myself. But I got stuck, and I couldn't inhale.Then I woke up in SP after panicking for a bit, then taking a deep breath and breaking out of it. I could've DEILD'd if I wasn't so panicked.The ride never ends.
-------SP, for a lucid dreamer, is a good friend Next time don't break out of it. Try spin yourself into a dream.

I someone how managed to turn off my alarm, and I have no memory of it. How could I not remember reaching into my pillow case?!Current LD goal(s): Fly!

Really great tutorial, I am excited to try this. I wish there was a 'Thank you' button.

cosmic.iron wrote:
SP, for a lucid dreamer, is a good friend Next time don't break out of it. Try spin yourself into a dream.
-------I would, but it's hard to tell that I'm in SP and not still in a dream. Not that I can tell that I'm in a dream when this is happening, but you get the idea. So I end up breaking out of it without realizing. It's also quite hard to think rationally when as far as you can tell, you can't breathe.

Golvellius wrote:
cosmic.iron wrote:
SP, for a lucid dreamer, is a good friend Next time don't break out of it. Try spin yourself into a dream.
-------I would, but it's hard to tell that I'm in SP and not still in a dream. Not that I can tell that I'm in a dream when this is happening, but you get the idea. So I end up breaking out of it without realizing. It's also quite hard to think rationally when as far as you can tell, you can't breathe.
-------It certainly takes a while to get used to it. I must have had it over 100 times now but I still break out of it because of uneven breathing.

Can I do the first 3 cycles while sitting up in bed (eyes closed and all that) then lie down for the other 1 or 2 before I sleep? Is that fine? I'm still falling asleep far too quickly.

Golvellius wrote:
Can I do the first 3 cycles while sitting up in bed (eyes closed and all that) then lie down for the other 1 or 2 before I sleep? Is that fine? I'm still falling asleep far too quickly.
-------You could try that. One DreamViews a person did it while sitting in a chair and it seemed to work.

I attempted this method last night and it didn't work. I'm not sure what happened I'll try again tonight though.Current LD goal(s): Fly!

Hey Cosmic.iron, Here's four quick questions for you1. Do I have to repeat the cycles until I fall asleep, or is it enough that I do 3-4 cycles in slow motion?2. While doing the cycle, Do I have to exclusively focus on the component alone, when I am doing the component. Ex: While looking at the void behind eyelids, do I hv to exclusively focus on it, keeping other components in abeyance? Sometimes I get distracted and focus on sounds as well, while looking at my closed eyelids.3. My fan is quite noisy, as a result I am unable to focus on subtle internal sounds and always get distracted to focus externally at the sound of my fan. Is it OK?4. What about thoughts that I have when I am doing the cycles. Do I have to ignore them or suppress them?Thank you.

lucky1990 wrote:
Hey Cosmic.iron, Here's four quick questions for you1. Do I have to repeat the cycles until I fall asleep, or is it enough that I do 3-4 cycles in slow motion?2. While doing the cycle, Do I have to exclusively focus on the component alone, when I am doing the component. Ex: While looking at the void behind eyelids, do I hv to exclusively focus on it, keeping other components in abeyance? Sometimes I get distracted and focus on sounds as well, while looking at my closed eyelids.3. My fan is quite noisy, as a result I am unable to focus on subtle internal sounds and always get distracted to focus externally at the sound of my fan. Is it OK?4. What about thoughts that I have when I am doing the cycles. Do I have to ignore them or suppress them?Thank you.
-------Hi lucky, pls see my answers below:1. There is no need to repeat the cycles till falling asleep. Doing so can potentially making it difficult to fall asleep actually.2. It is okay to simultaneously feel other sensations, but you probably don't want to do that consciously. The trick to a successful SSILD session is really in finding the perfect balance between sufficient stimulation to the various senses and being able to fall asleep quickly afterwards. The stimulation is achieved through "focusing"; therefore you need to make sure there are sporadic moments of staying focused during each slow cycle.3. Focusing on external noises is perfect okay.4. Do not suppress the random thoughts. You need them to carry you away so you can relax more quickly and it also makes it easier to fall asleep after the exercise. Just make sure you pull your thoughts back to focus on the sensations once in a while.

dreamergirl123 wrote:
I attempted this method last night and it didn't work. I'm not sure what happened I'll try again tonight though.
-------Let me know how you did it (the more details the better) so I can help you diagnose.