Macbook Pro (2016) Disappointment Pushes Some Apple Loyalis

I want a Pantheon spin of Fedora so badly...

Arent the complaints surrounding hardware though?

Mike Krahulik from Penny Arcade actually tested a prototype and beta-tested the production version. Apparently, he's been loving his for months.

Photoshop has some ludicrously crazy awesome features if you can figure out how to use them. The GIMP doesn't have a skin blending engine cooked in.

>Crossover/wine runs photoshop on linux.Photoshop is already a shit-show on Windows. God forbid you try to do raw video.>For other things like 3D, drawing and vectors there are great linux tools for that (blender, krita, inkscape)Blender works pretty well, but Inkscape really isn't in the same league - especially given all the integration.

Linux is a flaming pain in the ass with poor support for less used chipset issues like battery management.Mac OSX works really well, though it has some issues with enterprise file systems (which I don't deal with.) That said, I'm actually not that fond of the GUI - I liked my LXDE setup better, because I'm a freak - and if Linux had similar battery life and ran Adobe software, I'd be using it.

No. It is literally the Ubuntu file system on top of Windows. Once you mount the C drive, you have Ubuntu with no walls.

My W530 is reaching the end of its life . What you list there sounds like a good candidate (for engineering software). Hadn't heard of the P50 until this thread, thanks.Do you know how it compares to the Dell Precision and the HP? Last time I made this decision it came down to those 3.

How do you know, asshole? You don't speak for me.

TBF most machines wearing the pro moniker dont have full sized SD slots.

Also Chink government spyware installed in the hardware firmware.

The major distros, (Ubuntu, OpenSUSE, Fedora, Debian). Fedora, OpenSUSE and Ubuntu offer preinstalled desktops if you want it pre-built instead of a manual download through the software centre.

Fedora says "Yes, my job sucks, but the NASDAQ pays developers really well..."

> MATEHuh. That looks pretty nice.

There are some programs for installing programs automatically.Is .rpms/.debs like installing .exes? When I did that (on Ubuntu, which uses .deb instead of .rpm) a prompt said,"Would you like to install this?" and installed everything required, no mess no fuss. The prompt was from a program called "gdebi-gtk", otherwise known as the "GDebi Package/software Installer"Fedora Linux has the "Yum Extender" (`yumex`) which works like the Gdebi Software installer. Downloads what's required when you install something.I don't know about OpenSUSE's Yet Another Setup Tool which is used for managing software. But last time I used it could only install software specifically made for it (.ymp, no .rpm)NOTE: I think there should be a way to install things through the desktop in OpenSUSE, as Fedora and Ubuntu can do it. But I lack the skills to even start it...

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If an imac is enough for the creatives, a surface studio will be better

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Keep it up and it will be

> Most of the gamut of people who will be buying those new macs will be.The article doesn't even mention Photoshop at all, as I suspect the Photoshop users being a tiny minority to begin with.Nope, the *Photoshop excuse* is the same old tired anti-Linux cliché I've been hearing about for years now, even from people I suspect who don't even use Photoshop to begin with.>Windows on the other hand..Sure, if they trust Windows 10. Even many traditional Windows users don't even trust Windows 10.>2017 will be the Year of Linux, no doubt.Probably not, but I'll settle for 10 to 15% and I think that's realistic.But keep up with the old excuses. They are quite nostalgic.

Then a System76 machine wouldn't be right for you.And how big is your industry?

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Fair enough - I know a lot of folks who have Macbooks for that reason. That said, they're getting sticker shock too.

> Worse displaysSurface and most top end devices have surpassed retina. To the point where I keep wondering if Apple will release Retina 2.0> worse trackpads (or just a lack of gesture support due to Windows)Windows has supported gestures in a premium way since 8. Those gestures are on par with Mac, and that is at the OS level. Not all OEMs support it, but every device I suggested does.> OEM installed bloatwareThat's why you always buy Microsoft Certified devices.> then there's just the stability of OS X vs WindowsIn my experience working with both OSs, El Capitan is far less stable that Windows 10 with Anniversary update.

Tried it out? I have, guess what happens when you start accessing files on the Windows drive

It will corrupt files if you access the Windows drive. For example, I used vim to edit my Windows host file and now the file is corrupted.

The Precision has ECC ram, Xeon processors, and better graphics cards optional. If you want to run 400 VMs, it's king. It's also twice the price.I can't speak for the HP.If you need a pretty good laptop (which blows away the new rMBP) and have $1500, buy the P50. r/thinkpad decribes it as "Thinkpad 600" durable, which is sort of the holy grail of laptop construction.

I had some of the older Macs, and they were rather rugged machines of great reliability. The new ones are not quite so sensible in their construction, and even premium products like Thinkpads offer a lot more power for a lot less money.If it works, it works. But I would not want to own my 2013 rMBP at five years of age. Heck, I'm a bit nervous about it at three.

Good USB3 readers are expensive, and it's one more thing to keep around. Not user-friendly.

My rMBP battery went kaput after less than two years. I just want a second battery.