Lding Is Not Supernatural, There Are No Shadow Men. Its Jus

Magic and science?Or biology and science?Well I guess if magic is real then it would be a form of science, but is magic real? I Have not found any evidence of it, no matter where I look, unless you are to suggest everything is "like magic".

The evidence we have, suggests that reality is much like a dream. Quantum physics and our knowledge of reality say that life is like a dream, our mind makes the world around us.But I don't see how any of this is spiritual in nature, just science. Nothing I see has suggested anything about souls, or god, or heaven or hell, or demons, or angles. Those are things that people call spiritual, metaphysical, this seems more science, then spiritual.

I don't know if I believe in it, not really I suppose... Spirituality means to me believing or recognition of some higher power, or meaning in the world regarding a higher power or alternative to what we recognize as real life, in relation to ourselves. (angles, god, spirits, astral projection, alternative existences, ect)But I do not see any of that, or an evidence of that, in Lucid Dreaming. Nor have I ever experienced anything spiritual in regards to lucid dreaming, only a recognition of new ability's our biology has, in connection to what we knew about it already, a form of scientific discovery about what our biology is capable of, and our consciousness. Science yes, but not spirituality.

You don't seem to care much about evidence. All evidence points to lucid dreaming being a natural phenomena that has to due with the biology of our brains, with that said, LD's are not some supernatural spirit world filled with angles and demons from heaven and hell, and shadow people are just our brains calling up images to trick us into sleep or are caused by such said tricks.

I did not know that.

That shows us the images are coming from our mind... But there is nothing to suggest we are teleported to some new plane of the universe. Or that its some astral realm, or that shadow people exist.We know that neurons randomly fire in our brains, and that makes dreaming. The information comes from our own brains. That is what the evidence suggests, it does not suggest any mystical or magic plane of reality. There is no evidence to support any of the claims that this is some magic astral plane.Yes, they are wrong, all the evidence suggests otherwise!

Save me the bitter attitude you got. I don't have time for 17 year olds.If someone believes Zeus is throwing lighting at them, because they almost got hit by lighting, and they connect that to cheating on their wife, then ya, id say it is important to shoot down their "symbolic interpretation", because all evidence suggests ITS NOT TRUE.And if it does not effect the outside world? Still id say its more important to point out all evidence suggests ITS NOT TRUE. Living in ignorance only makes more ignorance.

I guess, Quantum mechanics sure does seem like magic. But, its not, unless magic is something we have been viewing as the wrong thing all this time, or unless the only magic there is, is simply the wonder of the universe in all its glory.

I don't know if there are some questions that science cannot answer. There might be, but I am not sure. Science cannot explain many things as of now, but it might be able to in the future.I am not sure if spiritual experiences even exist, I sure don't see any evidence of it, seems like what most people describe as a spiritual experience is just a mental shock, an emotional feeling, an odd happening, or something unusual or profound that happened to them, but still likely explainable by science and rational logic about how our universe works or probably works.

What is short sighted, is thinking that this is some magic dimension that you get connected to when you sleep, or shadow people are some spirit folk watching you as you dream, when there is nothing at all to support this, and all evidence suggests its just a dream, and figments of hallucinations before you start to dream.

You are suggesting that a lucid dream is whatever you believe? That is hog-wash. Okay, then, I believe you are flamingo... Now tell me, are you sprouting pink feathers yet? I did not think so.Lucid dream can form anything you want, but a lucid dream is a phenomena, and one with a likely rational explanation, you cant just make up things and pretend its true just because you want, and then get upset when someone points out that your explanation is clearly defying the evidence and logic of reality.

You are just bitter.

My input is backed by evidence. If there is no evidence to the contrary, then you are wrong. You are telling me we should believe something with no evidence, that is a bad idea, if you don't have any evidence to support a claim then we must assume you are wrong in your claim.There is no evidence to support LD are shadow men are nothing more then our minds, there is evidence to suggest it is just our minds. Believing in something with no evidence, is nonsense, you suggestion that we assume someone might be right when all evidence suggests otherwise is just plain wrong. We follow the evidence, and the evidence suggests that there are no shadow men and lucid dreams are not spiritual or supernatural in nature.

You are clearly just bitter.

Blah blah blah.... no evidence exists that suggest any of this is supernatural in nature. Its just biology, science.

Nope, I believe you are a flamingo, and thus, you are. Cuz I said so.

If there is no evidence of one thing, and evidence of another, then we must logically go with what the evidence points too. You cant seriously expect a rational adult to believe in something with no evidence... Stating "Just cause we haven't found evidence yet doesn't mean its wrong", is the same thing as stating we have no reason to believe its true, and thus should assume it is wrong. When the evidence points to it not being true, we have to conclude its not true.Your idea that we should believe something with no evidence, is ridicules, you will never learn, you are delusional. One day you will look back on your suggestions that we should believe something hard to believe as it is, with not the slightest shred of evidence, and you are going to feel pretty stupid.

You sound foolish.