Lding Is Not Supernatural, There Are No Shadow Men. Its Jus

I have been lucid dreaming for 10 years +.There is no shadow men, this is not some spiritual thing. It is just biology and science.You fall sleep, your body freezes up to prevent sleep walking, your mind makes hypnotic images and sounds to lull you to sleep. Your mind then makes the world around you, like any dream, except you have awareness and control of it due to conscious input.That's it.

How did you know?

There is evidence to back it up, we can see our brain firing neurons to make dreams.

There is no evidence to support that we are more sensitive to other dimensions. People are spout that this is some extra-dimensional or spirit world have nothing to support, and are being foolish.

People love to come up with spiritual explanations for a simple scientific one. That is human ignorance and imagination that has been invoked since the time of Zeus.The believe in shadow people, or lucid dreaming having to do with spiritual connection, was silly at best, and not supported by evidence at worst.I *know* the evidence suggests that Shadow people are just images the brain throws up when your falling asleep, to lull you into a hypotonic sleeping state. I *know* there is no rational explanation for shadow people. And I *know* that our dreams are constructions of our mind in the most literal sense, and thus not spiritual.The only thing I will give you, is I don't know if the realm of consciousness when we lucid dream is any less real then when we are in waking life. As the mind is set to make reality in waking life, just as it does in our dream. But it is sure as heck obvious that if anything is a figment of imagination, then shadow men are, just as much as our dreams.It is dishonest to pretend as if any rational explanation of the lucid dreaming process would point to shadow people being something real in connection with the waking day world. When there is nothing at all to suggest that shadow people and spirituality have anything to do with the lucid dream world, other then confusion about the way the brain works when it is falling asleep. Shadow people are as real as your imagination, its not, and the only thing that you could even attempt to say is that our minds in the waking day world might make reality much like a dream world is made, and thus, shadow people are a real thing your mind imagines, but they are not real in connection with reality as human experience it from a Newtonian point of view. Or in other words, shadow people are not real, lucid dream is not a spiritual thing, and the closet to real you can make thing sound is an assumption that reality in the waking world is made by our minds, and since shadow people are made by our minds, it is real, but only real in the sense of the imaginary world within our heads, and not within waking day reality that we all experience day in and day out when we are awake.

Dude... Shadow people are not real... It is a figment of your imagination. Its a real as anything that is not tangible and not actually there, and does not exist other then in a hallucination, in other words, its not real. Its just your imagination.

Ya, I guess ill give that to you.

lol, no dude, its science. Biology.

But there is no evidence that god made the world, there is evidence that biology of the human brain makes our dreams.It is shortsighted to pretend that anything is true without evidence, and there is no evidence of shadow men or lucid dreams being some astral plane of existence. That is just foolishness, with no evidence to support it.Lack of knowledge, does not discount the evidence we have, we must go on the evidence there is.

Thank you.Most of the people in this thread, who got bitter and butt-hurt, really reflect the madness and delusional fanaticism of the primitive people from our past ranting about "sun gods" and freaking out when someone pointed out a much more logical explanation that now permeates our sciences. "The earth is not flat, the earth circles the sun, etc."What we are witnessing here is the bitterness and fanaticism of people who believe in nonsense like "lighting gods", and those people are not known to be rational or reasonable. And prone to freak-outs, fanaticism and nonsense positions.

No no no.... An assumption would be thinking ". It could very well be a different realm our consciousness is transported to with entities"In fact that's more like a bad and un-educated guess.There is no evidence to support any of that.

Spiritually, as in souls, god, supernatural natures.Yes we can never find proof that the whole world, including all the laws of nature, isn't simply a subjective dream. But we do have proof that shadow men and LDs are not some spirit world, or mystical creatures, in regards to the REAL world we live in, regardless if that real world is a dream itself, as a separate entity.

But there sure as hell isn't any evidence to support the idea of LD taking you to the astral world, shadow men being real, or anything like that. You are misleading yourself. All evidence suggests its just your mind making a dream, and shadow men are just hallucinations.

No, I have never experienced anything "spiritual"... This is just a dream we can control, there is nothing to suggest that this is some sort of spirit world, or connection to another dimension.There is nothing to support the idea that this is some "different world" we are transported to, or have anything to do with our "souls" or spirit folk, or shadow men, or anything like that.the evidence suggests what my OP said, that's it. And no, I have never experienced anything remotely spiritual in a LD, that's because ITS JUST A DREAM. One that I can control and live in, due to my mind making the world around me. More so then the other world my mind makes, that we are both in now, that we share.

But one thing we know, is that there is no evidence that shadow men are real, or that this is some magic world that lucid dreams take you do. All evidence points to shadow men just being a hallucination, and lucid dreams are just that, dreams.

Right.... When I was a child, and would enter SP, I thought I had a mental issue or something.As I got older, I grew more informed of the sleeping process, and began to guess SP was a natural thing that happened. Research showed me that the body does instead freeze itself when it sleeps, that same resource mentioned lucid dreaming, and thus I researched that, using direct testing as well as reading others input.

ha... nice troll dude.

Meh, you just sound bitter.If you don't care about the truth, by all means keep believing in hippi-pseudo crap.

That's would be you, I would assert.

Agreed, people who believe in extra-normal things, such as creatures that visit us from other dimensions, usually cant handle someone pointing out that there is no evidence of that, and all evidence suggests otherwise,

Sure... right.... Hey, a shadow man just appeared to tell me he is not real... Okay... Now we have both sides of the coin.So, everything I said was true, a shadow man just told me. Thus we now have the esoteric point of view and the exoteric.That's it.

Fools always get bitter when someone points out how these delusional fantasy of a spirit world has no evidence.You are no different then one of these morons from the time of ancient Greece that believe in the sun god or the god of the hunt.Move along moron, you embarrassed yourself enough for 1 day.

You are the idiot, and very bitter.

If that was the case, everything is magic.

Neurology is a science of biology, and that is a science of chemistry.Pleb.

If neurons are firing in your brain, then you are going to experience something. Thus its safe to say that dreaming is the result of such said neurons firing.On the flip side, there is NOTHING to suggest this is a spirit world or a supernatural affair.As for why we dream, that is not the same thing as what causes it.

You are not helping anyone by spouting some silly nonsense and telling people to mediate. This is science, not spirituality. You are not thinking with any part of your brain.There is no shadow people, this is not some spiritual plan, all evidence and common sense says this is just straight up biology of the brain.

You would be a poor guesser. I am not your age.

But there is no evidence to support that is true, without it, we have to go on the evidence we have, that is just our minds playing tricks on us when we fall asleep.

is it?