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sydney第 91 楼 ·
Okay, makes more sense. I was just waking up at 5 hours of sleep (since that was how much i slept when I succeeded the first time), and only going to the bathroom then laying down. I'll sleep just a bit longer this time and stay up a bit longer too to see if I get different results.
宇宙之铁楼主第 92 楼 ·
Originally Posted by Fausto:
So to do this, you go to sleep, and wake up 5-6 hours later. But do you just gain awareness and not move, or actually get of bed, go to the bathroom, get a drink of water, etc, and then return to bed and apply the three techniques?
--------Getting out of bed might work better, but it's different for everyone so you'd have to experiment
So to do this, you go to sleep, and wake up 5-6 hours later. But do you just gain awareness and not move, or actually get of bed, go to the bathroom, get a drink of water, etc, and then return to bed and apply the three techniques?
--------Getting out of bed might work better, but it's different for everyone so you'd have to experiment
barry第 93 楼 ·
Tried it, didn't work.
宇宙之铁楼主第 94 楼 ·
Originally Posted by Barry:
Tried it, didn't work.
--------You might want to give more detail on how you did it so I can help you.
Tried it, didn't work.
--------You might want to give more detail on how you did it so I can help you.
fausto第 95 楼 ·
I attempted it last night, but unfortunately didn't have a LD. I went to sleep at 12 00 woke up at around 4 am went back to sleep until around 5 30. I woke up, rolled onto my side, and attempted stimulating the senses by using the three techniques that were described in the original post. I didn't see any images/colors, heard nothing, and felt nothing strange happen with my body parts, and once I was done all four sets, it took me some time to get back to sleep. I did wake up a couple hours later, and did a RC, but I found out I was actually awake.
barry第 96 楼 ·
Originally Posted by CosmicIron:
You might want to give more detail on how you did it so I can help you.
--------I woke up at about 4am, after going to sleep at 11ish. I closed my eyes, and tried to see colours, but all I could see was blackness - but you said this was fine, right? and then tried to hear a noise through my ears - I could hear a buzzing noise. I tried to see if my body felt different, it felt normal really. I tried the senses 4 times and got the same results.
You might want to give more detail on how you did it so I can help you.
--------I woke up at about 4am, after going to sleep at 11ish. I closed my eyes, and tried to see colours, but all I could see was blackness - but you said this was fine, right? and then tried to hear a noise through my ears - I could hear a buzzing noise. I tried to see if my body felt different, it felt normal really. I tried the senses 4 times and got the same results.
sydney第 97 楼 ·
Originally Posted by Barry:
I woke up at about 4am, after going to sleep at 11ish. I closed my eyes, and tried to see colours, but all I could see was blackness - but you said this was fine, right? and then tried to hear a noise through my ears - I could hear a buzzing noise. I tried to see if my body felt different, it felt normal really. I tried the senses 4 times and got the same results.
--------That's ok Remember, there's always another night.
I woke up at about 4am, after going to sleep at 11ish. I closed my eyes, and tried to see colours, but all I could see was blackness - but you said this was fine, right? and then tried to hear a noise through my ears - I could hear a buzzing noise. I tried to see if my body felt different, it felt normal really. I tried the senses 4 times and got the same results.
--------That's ok Remember, there's always another night.
enak101第 98 楼 ·
How do you think this will work with polyphasic sleep? I have three ninety minute naps so WBTB doesn't really work but I don't know how quickly into it I go REM. Would be nice to have a zeo.
rynkrt3第 99 楼 ·
been trying this for like 4 days now with no results
宇宙之铁楼主第 100 楼 ·
Originally Posted by Fausto:
I attempted it last night, but unfortunately didn't have a LD. I went to sleep at 12 00 woke up at around 4 am went back to sleep until around 5 30. I woke up, rolled onto my side, and attempted stimulating the senses by using the three techniques that were described in the original post. I didn't see any images/colors, heard nothing, and felt nothing strange happen with my body parts, and once I was done all four sets, it took me some time to get back to sleep. I did wake up a couple hours later, and did a RC, but I found out I was actually awake.
--------I see several areas where things probably went wrong:1. After you wake up, you might want to get out of your bed and stay awake for at least 5 minutes.
2. Do you usually sleep on your side? If that's the case, you might want to lay flat while doing the exercise.
3. Do not attempt to actually see, hear, and feel things. If you attempt too hard, then you may not be able to get into the trance and may even lose sleep afterwards. Whenever you feel you have a hard time to fall asleep after doing the exercise, it means you weren't doing the cycling part correctly. The idea of the cycling is to help put you into a trance. Your mind should wander during the exercise. Time should fly without you noticing it. Moments of unconsciousness should occur in between the cycles.... These are signs that you are doing it correctly.
I attempted it last night, but unfortunately didn't have a LD. I went to sleep at 12 00 woke up at around 4 am went back to sleep until around 5 30. I woke up, rolled onto my side, and attempted stimulating the senses by using the three techniques that were described in the original post. I didn't see any images/colors, heard nothing, and felt nothing strange happen with my body parts, and once I was done all four sets, it took me some time to get back to sleep. I did wake up a couple hours later, and did a RC, but I found out I was actually awake.
--------I see several areas where things probably went wrong:1. After you wake up, you might want to get out of your bed and stay awake for at least 5 minutes.
2. Do you usually sleep on your side? If that's the case, you might want to lay flat while doing the exercise.
3. Do not attempt to actually see, hear, and feel things. If you attempt too hard, then you may not be able to get into the trance and may even lose sleep afterwards. Whenever you feel you have a hard time to fall asleep after doing the exercise, it means you weren't doing the cycling part correctly. The idea of the cycling is to help put you into a trance. Your mind should wander during the exercise. Time should fly without you noticing it. Moments of unconsciousness should occur in between the cycles.... These are signs that you are doing it correctly.
宇宙之铁楼主第 101 楼 ·
Originally Posted by rynkrt3:
been trying this for like 4 days now with no results
--------Please take a look at my above reply to Fausto. See if it also applies to you. If not, please give me details on how you did the exercise so I can help.
been trying this for like 4 days now with no results
--------Please take a look at my above reply to Fausto. See if it also applies to you. If not, please give me details on how you did the exercise so I can help.
宇宙之铁楼主第 102 楼 ·
Originally Posted by enak101:
How do you think this will work with polyphasic sleep? I have three ninety minute naps so WBTB doesn't really work but I don't know how quickly into it I go REM. Would be nice to have a zeo.
--------This works very well with naps. Some of the guys are high-school students on our forum and they even manage to OBE with SSILD while napping between classes on their desks!
How do you think this will work with polyphasic sleep? I have three ninety minute naps so WBTB doesn't really work but I don't know how quickly into it I go REM. Would be nice to have a zeo.
--------This works very well with naps. Some of the guys are high-school students on our forum and they even manage to OBE with SSILD while napping between classes on their desks!
enak101第 103 楼 ·
Might give it a try then, doesn't really take that long to cycle through it four times.15 seconds each times 3
45 seconds per cycle
45 times 3 is 135 seconds so a bit over two minutes to do it.Get to attempt it three times a day heh.
45 seconds per cycle
45 times 3 is 135 seconds so a bit over two minutes to do it.Get to attempt it three times a day heh.
宇宙之铁楼主第 104 楼 ·
Originally Posted by enak101:
Might give it a try then, doesn't really take that long to cycle through it four times.15 seconds each times 3
45 seconds per cycle
45 times 3 is 135 seconds so a bit over two minutes to do it.Get to attempt it three times a day heh.
--------If you do it that way then you will fail for sure. The 15-second is just a reference, which should not be carried out precisely. The key is to do the exercise in a "lazy" fashion. You WANT to forget time, you WANT to lose count, and you WANT to drag this as long as possible! You should NEVER count in your head!
Might give it a try then, doesn't really take that long to cycle through it four times.15 seconds each times 3
45 seconds per cycle
45 times 3 is 135 seconds so a bit over two minutes to do it.Get to attempt it three times a day heh.
--------If you do it that way then you will fail for sure. The 15-second is just a reference, which should not be carried out precisely. The key is to do the exercise in a "lazy" fashion. You WANT to forget time, you WANT to lose count, and you WANT to drag this as long as possible! You should NEVER count in your head!
gibsonorth第 105 楼 ·
This is just awesome! It makes me lose focus fast, and I have some crazy vivid dreams after!
enak101第 106 楼 ·
Oh, yeah I forgot that point about being exact heh. Just meant roughly but I guess it would take longer. Thanks, going to sleep in fifteen minutes and I'll attempt it.
sydney第 107 楼 ·
During my WBTB last night, I stayed up for about 20 minutes on Dreamviews before going back to bed (that was probably a mistake.. I don't know though). I went through about 6 cycles. My mind started wandering a little but not that much. I decided to roll over. I did about 2 cycles, and then stopped doing them. I kept tossing and turning until I finally went to sleep.I guess I lost some sleep last night. Maybe I was too awake?
moondreamer第 108 楼 ·
I tried this halfheartedly last night, after bad recal l and no lucids for months. I had a very long lucid and a FA last night, extremely pleased!
mcwillis第 109 楼 ·
Originally Posted by Moondreamer:I tried this halfheartedly last night, after bad recal l and no lucids for months. I had a very long lucid and a FA last night, extremely pleased!--------:
dinosawr第 110 楼 ·
Wow, some crazy success stories already with this technique. Makes me wonder if I should scrap what I've been working on and just do this, hehe.
sydney第 111 楼 ·
I guess I'm just trying to find a balance with this technique. If I do it one way, I barely get through one cycle, my mind wanders and I fall asleep. If I do it another way, I focus on it too much and after at least 6 cycles it takes me forever to fall asleep.
sydney第 112 楼 ·
Originally Posted by Moondreamer:
I tried this halfheartedly last night, after bad recal l and no lucids for months. I had a very long lucid and a FA last night, extremely pleased!
--------Did you fall asleep while doing the cycles? Or did you do them, roll over and fall asleep?
Oh and, how long did you stay up in your WBTB?Sorry for the questions, I just want to learn from other people's successes
I tried this halfheartedly last night, after bad recal l and no lucids for months. I had a very long lucid and a FA last night, extremely pleased!
--------Did you fall asleep while doing the cycles? Or did you do them, roll over and fall asleep?
Oh and, how long did you stay up in your WBTB?Sorry for the questions, I just want to learn from other people's successes
sydney第 113 楼 ·
I missed my alarm going off, so instead of 5 hours and 30 minutes of sleeping, it ended up as 6 hours and 30 minutes, which I think was what made me fail. I did the technique as best as I could, focusing about not focusing. My mind wandered a lot, which was good. I think I just slept too much. Would SSILD work after about 3 hours of being awake? (in a nap..)
blubbdavid第 114 楼 ·
I used this technique for three nights.The first two nights, nothing special happened.The third night I was to tired to make the exercises and only stuck with concentrating on the lights behind the eyelids. But soon I started to get a strange feeling, getting to a full SP (not just some weird feelings, a whole fully developed SP, I couldn't move) This then resulted to the second WILD I had in my life.
宇宙之铁楼主第 115 楼 ·
Originally Posted by blubbdavid:
I used this technique for three nights.
The first two nights, nothing special happened.
The third night I was to tired to make the exercises and only stuck with concentrating on the lights behind the eyelids. But soon I started to get a strange feeling, getting to a full SP (not just some weird feelings, a whole fully developed SP, I couldn't move) This then resulted to the second WILD I had in my life.
--------Congrats! Once you get a hang of it you will have many lucid moments ahead of you which I'm sure of! Please try to adhere to what resulted the success -- timing wise as well as how you executed the technique.
I used this technique for three nights.
The first two nights, nothing special happened.
The third night I was to tired to make the exercises and only stuck with concentrating on the lights behind the eyelids. But soon I started to get a strange feeling, getting to a full SP (not just some weird feelings, a whole fully developed SP, I couldn't move) This then resulted to the second WILD I had in my life.
--------Congrats! Once you get a hang of it you will have many lucid moments ahead of you which I'm sure of! Please try to adhere to what resulted the success -- timing wise as well as how you executed the technique.
宇宙之铁楼主第 116 楼 ·
Originally Posted by Sydney:
I missed my alarm going off, so instead of 5 hours and 30 minutes of sleeping, it ended up as 6 hours and 30 minutes, which I think was what made me fail. I did the technique as best as I could, focusing about not focusing. My mind wandered a lot, which was good. I think I just slept too much. Would SSILD work after about 3 hours of being awake? (in a nap..)
--------I'd say at least 5 hours of sleep is optimal. 3 is not sufficient .
I missed my alarm going off, so instead of 5 hours and 30 minutes of sleeping, it ended up as 6 hours and 30 minutes, which I think was what made me fail. I did the technique as best as I could, focusing about not focusing. My mind wandered a lot, which was good. I think I just slept too much. Would SSILD work after about 3 hours of being awake? (in a nap..)
--------I'd say at least 5 hours of sleep is optimal. 3 is not sufficient .
spacecowboydave第 117 楼 ·
I tried this again last night. I went to bed at 12:00am I woke up at 5:00am. I could not perform the technique. I was too tired/couldn't concentrate. I would look at my eyelids, then get distracted or perhaps almost fall asleep but I kept waking back up and starting over, so I was never able to stay away for the whole 4-5 sets.
sydney第 118 楼 ·
Originally Posted by CosmicIron:
I'd say at least 5 hours of sleep is optimal. 3 is not sufficient .
--------I meant like, waking up for the day, waiting three hours, and then performing the technique in a nap.
I'd say at least 5 hours of sleep is optimal. 3 is not sufficient .
--------I meant like, waking up for the day, waiting three hours, and then performing the technique in a nap.
宇宙之铁楼主第 119 楼 ·
Originally Posted by Sydney:
I meant like, waking up for the day, waiting three hours, and then performing the technique in a nap.
--------That should work
I meant like, waking up for the day, waiting three hours, and then performing the technique in a nap.
--------That should work
sydney第 120 楼 ·
I got lucid again last night
I got back in bed after my WBTB (5 hours and 30 minutes), and did 5 cycles I think. My mind kept wandering which was good. But, after I got comfortable again, it took me FOREVER to fall back to sleep. Literally, I was probably laying there/tossing and turning after the cycles for about an hour.Even though it took me a while to fall asleep, I was still lucid anyway. It was a weird lucid though (lucid from the start of a dream), at one point I thought I came back into SP, but I think I was dreaming then. It was weird.Any tips on how I can fall asleep faster? I've always had troubles with falling asleep.
I got back in bed after my WBTB (5 hours and 30 minutes), and did 5 cycles I think. My mind kept wandering which was good. But, after I got comfortable again, it took me FOREVER to fall back to sleep. Literally, I was probably laying there/tossing and turning after the cycles for about an hour.Even though it took me a while to fall asleep, I was still lucid anyway. It was a weird lucid though (lucid from the start of a dream), at one point I thought I came back into SP, but I think I was dreaming then. It was weird.Any tips on how I can fall asleep faster? I've always had troubles with falling asleep.